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It looks like the 'Health and Environment' thread has produced some really good suggestions for keeping liquid fuel off the ground and off the performers.
Still, we light it on fire and it produces all sorts of nasty emissions. Is there anything we can do about that pollution?
A usual night for me will burn up maybe a half-gallon of fuel, which works out about the same as a 15 mile drive. Still, I bet poi spinning is way more polluting than driving any recent sort of car. All those toxic particulate emissions, all those unburned hydrocarbons, not to mention the CO2.
What about green fuels? People spin with alcohol a fair bit, especially indoors. I hear it's expensive, hard to find, and produces a dim flame though. I know that adding some compounds to ethanol will produce nifty flame colors (boric acid, f'rinstance). Does that make it more toxic, though?
What about biodiesel? I bet it'd be near impossible to light, but maybe biodiesel mixed with methanol? Methanol is farily toxic stuff, but is it any worse than naptha?
Is there even any place you can *get* methanol in California? I mean, that's not mixed with 15% gasoline?
I guess biodiesel/white gas would still be better than lamp oil... if it'd light... probably worth a try, though.
Still, we light it on fire and it produces all sorts of nasty emissions. Is there anything we can do about that pollution?
A usual night for me will burn up maybe a half-gallon of fuel, which works out about the same as a 15 mile drive. Still, I bet poi spinning is way more polluting than driving any recent sort of car. All those toxic particulate emissions, all those unburned hydrocarbons, not to mention the CO2.
What about green fuels? People spin with alcohol a fair bit, especially indoors. I hear it's expensive, hard to find, and produces a dim flame though. I know that adding some compounds to ethanol will produce nifty flame colors (boric acid, f'rinstance). Does that make it more toxic, though?
What about biodiesel? I bet it'd be near impossible to light, but maybe biodiesel mixed with methanol? Methanol is farily toxic stuff, but is it any worse than naptha?
Is there even any place you can *get* methanol in California? I mean, that's not mixed with 15% gasoline?
I guess biodiesel/white gas would still be better than lamp oil... if it'd light... probably worth a try, though.
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Re: Environmentally friendly fuels?
Mon, January 19, 2004 - 10:27 PMto my knowledge there is no really ideal solution.
alcohol is virtually worthless to spin with. I doubt you could keep it lit.
methanol is more toxic than naptha, and boric acid & those types of things - most things that will produce colors - are toxic.
CO2 i wouldn't worry about but unburned hydros are a bitch. All I can say is: your senses are a good indicator. As a general rule of thumb, the cleaner burning your fuel is probably the less pollutants you are putting out. (tho I'd say spills and spin-off are worse) if you're belching out black smoke thats hydros.
basically, white gas and *anything* will light.
I keep hearing about biodiesel but haven't had a chance to try any. Anybody else out there had experience with it?
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Re: Environmentally friendly fuels?
Tue, January 20, 2004 - 4:49 PMI am a mere non-burning poi spinner at this point but have become entranced by the fire. But, I am so turned off by the fossil fuel and smoke that I was wondering about these very questions.
I found this:
www.fire-gear.com/testing2.php
(scroll half way down the page)
Biodiesel is hard to light but once lit it should stay burning. I use biodiesel in my car, and would love to do some experiments - is anyone down for that (I'm in Berkeley)? I am an engineer and will try to do a little more research into this question, I know some geeks who do combustion research.
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Re: Environmentally friendly fuels?
Tue, January 20, 2004 - 5:56 PMI speak only for myself But for me spinning fire it is helping the environment as Ian stated in his post 1/2 gallon of fuel burnt = 15 miles of driving .
If I am playing with fire I wont be driving I am sure the time spent dancing I would have driven alot more than 15 miles not to mention the oil my truck leaks on the ground or the rubber that wears off of my tires(where does all that rubber go?).Or the empty twinkie wrappers I throw out the window.
So picture this 30 fire dancers toghter for an eve of burning
that saved over 450 miles of drive time on the environment at least 4 quarts of used raw oil on the ground ( I dont know a fire dancer whos car doesnt leak ) and only god knows how many twinkie wrappers.
Many we should focus on more important things that are ruining the environment than the little we do playing with fire. I am off to start a new tribe I think I will call it "Burn out rabbid beavers " all the trees they eat is the real cause behind global warming The goverment is just covering up that fact.
If you look at the Kennedy assassination footage in slow motion , backwards while standing on your head after drinking a 5th of Jack Daniels you will see one of the mouth foaming beavers chewing on a tree on the grassy nole.If you look real close you can see the US Military issused M-1 sniper rife in his paw.
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Re: Environmentally friendly fuels?
Wed, January 21, 2004 - 9:26 AMI can understand what you're saying, but I don't think that excuses us from lessening our negative environmental impact to the fullest extent possible.
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Re: Beaver combustion research
Thu, January 22, 2004 - 12:02 AM(..not to mention the negative emotional impact!)
Awright Riz! I saw you trying to push your Florida twinkie-wrapper-out-the-window lifestyle on these innocents!
We don’t believe in garbage in California.
Combustion research, thats sounds like such a cool job description! Not too many of us can say, "I burn stuff for a living!" ;)
Colleen, please let us know if you/your friends come up with anything. I’m up for helping out next time I’m in town (hopefully soon)
For the nonce, if we can refrain from spraying raw fuel all over the landscape (it really can add up), and burn the cleanest-burning fuels we can get our hands on (and encourage others to do the same - even when they’re being a smart-ass) I think we’re doing our part.
Up the beavers!
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