Tribe.net. Local Connections Kimric http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#c60047ff-d50c-4f71-8ec0-5b3a9cdbcf86 2006-05-03T23:18:05Z 2006-05-03T23:18:05Z

Lithium is not bad, the amount you would use in fire effects if far less then a med dose. And it does not stay in your system.

Kimric 2006-05-03T23:18:05Z Kimric http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#3c980bde-ccd4-4a5c-8245-a8d77973e11f 2006-05-03T23:14:42Z 2006-05-03T23:14:42Z

If you like danger try Mecuric chloride. Nice blue purple. It used to be used as medicine. "Calomel"

Kimric 2006-05-03T23:14:42Z Kimric http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#175683f4-028a-4589-bd08-f3075ce93c3b 2004-10-04T02:52:41Z 2004-10-04T02:52:41Z

The Haz mat disclamer says it's ethel alcohol and Amil Acetate. the acetate is a controlled substance, but asian markets as a flavoring (banana flavoring) Just mess with the ratios.

Kimric 2004-10-04T02:52:41Z Roger http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#738d2deb-80af-4e97-8fb1-599b00a97345 2004-10-02T13:16:22Z 2004-10-02T13:16:22Z

Hmm... White gas at Wal-Mart, less than $3/gallon Tri_Ess color flame fluid, $110/gallon

Roger 2004-10-02T13:16:22Z Leif http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#bef06b15-cfde-4067-bcb7-ef4c82b60441 2004-10-01T20:21:05Z 2004-10-01T20:21:05Z

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned E-Oils or Tri-Ess. Find eoils colored flame oils at http://www.eoilcandles.com/ Tri_Ess Sciences also has a section specific for chemicals for colored flames. Find that section at http://www.tri-esssciences.com/firespecialeffects.htm Hope that helps some, Leif

Leif 2004-10-01T20:21:05Z Kimric http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#2156e44b-6300-4762-9d33-16261aeee6d7 2004-09-29T01:52:41Z 2004-09-29T01:52:41Z

I was fire breathing in 94 on the playa with everclear and lithium chloride. Made the alchohol a little salty but noticed no problems. The med dose is around 200? mil a day, and you dissolve about 20-50 mil in a gallon of fuel. I think you will have other problems, before you injest enough lithium to give you a problem.

Kimric 2004-09-29T01:52:41Z Kimric http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#e36bb452-c091-42a5-9e94-ed10c04c0ae1 2004-09-20T23:21:03Z 2004-09-20T23:21:03Z

Calcium Chloride is sold as a moisture removeing agent for closets and the like. It is hydoscopic ,so should be kept in a sealed (non metalic) container. Not terribly toxic as I recall.

Kimric 2004-09-20T23:21:03Z Kimric http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#b260302d-c88f-4a2f-a782-e58f7e6a4224 2004-09-20T23:15:47Z 2004-09-20T23:15:47Z

Strontium is used in highway flares. You should be able to get it from any Chemical supply house. Get the Technical grade it's way cheaper. Copper chloride is really good, make a small (marble sized) mesh bag out of brass screen and put the chloride in it, wire it to your torch so it is in the flame. as the whole thing heats up the flame should change color. Should last for a bit.

Kimric 2004-09-20T23:15:47Z RachL http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#93ce3d23-e019-4d2b-af57-3a79f43668f2 2004-07-03T05:24:25Z 2004-07-03T05:24:25Z

yep and that's why rubbing alcohol body transfers make me snooooz unless of couse I'm three inches away and can see the damn miniture blue specks that leave behind grease funk <<nose raising high enough in the air to sniff god's a$$>> AND that is why it's all about those luvely large yellow n orange white gas flames traveling down hot willing appendages awww yeah

RachL 2004-07-03T05:24:25Z Angel http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#c6de0d59-08ef-4e17-8acf-f015e46c375a 2004-07-01T06:56:46Z 2004-07-01T06:56:46Z

Yes, and most of the polar fuels give off a whimpy flame too.

Angel 2004-07-01T06:56:46Z RachL http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#ba9b7f4a-642c-41af-a82d-fcbb47b22ab0 2004-06-30T21:53:16Z 2004-06-30T21:53:16Z

second that!! I guess it's just important to keep in mind that to make colored flames it must be dissolved in a polar liquid. So the obvious choice is denatured alcohol and even ethanol would serve as the fuel fraction for the solution. lamp oil/kerosene...white gas...etc are non-polar and don't like to play alot. ****just a side note this stuff is stinky as all living hell peeeyou!

RachL 2004-06-30T21:53:16Z Mr Foo http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#7e788901-e677-4c09-b37b-7c84d3beb05c 2004-06-16T23:52:05Z 2004-06-16T23:52:05Z

I really dislike the idea of spinning with methonol. One of the effects of methonol is to cause the optic nerve to swell causing temporary to permanent blindness depending on the amount of exposure. One route that methonol can get in you is though the eyes... and fire spinning usually results in droplets of fuel being sprayed all over the place...

Mr Foo 2004-06-16T23:52:05Z Angel http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#4bc1863f-3399-4b81-b33a-917c13f0a1f9 2004-06-15T21:57:42Z 2004-06-15T21:57:42Z

Methanol also causes kidney failure.

Angel 2004-06-15T21:57:42Z SummerSaharSupastar! http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#e9bb0c36-72ab-4be6-a5b4-5dc2bb970690 2004-06-15T19:17:38Z 2004-06-15T19:17:38Z

Too much ingested methanol can damage the optic nerve, causing blindness. The cure? Ethanol. In earlier times methanol ingestion was cured by having the patient take shots of vodka, as it neutralizes the methanol. Bottom line: please don't drink and spin fire.

SummerSaharSupastar! 2004-06-15T19:17:38Z Matt the http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#b72ef3f2-c2c4-41b8-b092-c1ffac6b736a 2004-06-15T19:01:51Z 2004-06-15T19:01:51Z

Apart from the possible toxicities of the colorant chemicals, don't forget that methanol itself is poisonous (as somebody noted above). Denatured alcohol is mostly ethanol with about 15% methanol added in, so you don't want to be ingesting that stuff, either!

Matt the 2004-06-15T19:01:51Z SummerSaharSupastar! http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#c892e752-b942-4d1a-8eb1-92f2d2b95372 2004-06-15T18:18:58Z 2004-06-15T18:18:58Z

Strontium Chloride is a skin and respiratory irritant, can be very harmful if swallowed Boric acid = similar as Strontium Cl = don't use it. Lithium chloride can be a severe skin irritant and can mess with your CNS. Copper chloride can also irritate your respiratory system and cause skin burns. Not recommended. While the LD50's of these chemicals classify most of them as "mildly toxic" and probably won't systemically affect you if ingested or absorbed through INTACT skin IN SMALL AMOUNTS, putting chemicals in your mouth or on your skin is not wise, and heated/flaming chemicals often have different properties than room temp ones.

SummerSaharSupastar! 2004-06-15T18:18:58Z Gigi-D (DogBite) http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#dc3a7fa4-fc6e-44ed-94dd-0654695c8537 2004-06-15T17:54:19Z 2004-06-15T17:54:19Z

Are there any safe colored flame versions to eat or do transfers? I read this list and think its all rather toxic or could possible burn badly? Am I wrong are any of these safe for eating and body work?

Gigi-D (DogBite) 2004-06-15T17:54:19Z Mr Foo http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#a72ea918-69ef-43da-957c-bd4e6142aa54 2004-06-15T00:58:04Z 2004-06-15T00:58:04Z

Most of the other stuff can be bought from skylighter. http://www.skylighter.com. You should be able to buy Road Flare Red: Strontium Chloride. Green/Yellow: Borice Acid. Ook Eeek Red: Lithium Chloride. Green/Blue: Copper Chloride and maybe Orange: Calcium Chloride Lavender?: Potasium Iodide. PS: Stay away from Barium Chloride. It is very toxic. I suppose having said this, I should try and figure out exact ammounts that should be added to denatured alcohol.

Mr Foo 2004-06-15T00:58:04Z SummerSaharSupastar! http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#d85f4c25-c9fc-4c3a-81f7-d263e80365b2 2004-06-14T19:50:42Z 2004-06-14T19:50:42Z

*salutes* Certified toxicologist here, at anyone's service! It's my job. For real.

SummerSaharSupastar! 2004-06-14T19:50:42Z Qathi http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#a8e0e5c5-6b3d-4dcd-b6a0-a9c42713c36c 2004-06-14T19:08:52Z 2004-06-14T19:08:52Z

inside secret... Which is to say, i don't know, I have a Mad Scientist who mixes and tests our non-green fuels. I understand quite a few compounds can be picked up in pottery supplies, as many of them are used as glaze. The stromium, I think you actually have to be a chemist to get it. not sure, I'll find out. .. in response to the repetive safety notices on inhaling this stuff - haveing a mad scientist and toxicologist on had are awful handy. # Maque da Vis' is a compliance inspector for the State of Washington, Department of Labor and Industries (DLI), and also a Hazardous Materials Specialist. He specializes in chemicals, biologicals, and radiation. He performs safety and health inspections, which can include UN0335, 1.3 (Class B, Display Fireworks) pyrotechnical shows for DLI. He holds a Washington State UN0335, 1.3 (Display) fireworks license, Utah Display Fireworks license, a limited Oregon Pyrotechnics license, and holds a certified UN0335 fireworks technician license and a Theater Artiste Pyrotechnic card currently in Canada.

Qathi 2004-06-14T19:08:52Z Qathi http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#31856e92-0527-45ae-8785-f31d969acb6a 2004-06-14T18:58:38Z 2004-06-14T18:58:38Z

denatured alcohol is a hardware item. I've always found it with woodworking, finishes, stains, dyes etc. one use is to clean/prep surfaces for finnish, another is to mix with powdered dyes as a vehicle for spraying - it's evaporates leaving the dye in the wood.

Qathi 2004-06-14T18:58:38Z MarcoPolo http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#6da80f19-3f5b-4c74-8f28-015875f79920 2004-06-10T03:02:29Z 2004-06-10T03:02:29Z

Well, assume that you are ALREADY on a CIA list, and you can go about your life in relative ease. Assuming you don't email anyone about blowing up any federal buildings. ;-)

MarcoPolo 2004-06-10T03:02:29Z robin http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#9ccca75b-4ce1-47ec-b9ee-5ca391a90f5c 2004-06-09T23:51:51Z 2004-06-09T23:51:51Z

also denatured alcohol ?

robin 2004-06-09T23:51:51Z robin http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#d896adc3-d9dc-4994-9808-5f5bcaa1add7 2004-06-09T23:51:02Z 2004-06-09T23:51:02Z

thanks for all the replies. i too want to know where to get all that stuff... copper chloride, calcium compounds, potassium chloride, barium compounds ? none of this stuff is going to put me on a CIA watch list is it? :-P

robin 2004-06-09T23:51:02Z David http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#cd3e9295-b20d-402f-a48a-a5d00c92f5f5 2004-06-09T20:36:43Z 2004-06-09T20:36:43Z

Another suggestion is to go with the denatured alcohol instead of Methanol as one drop of methanol in the eye can cause permanant damage and maybe even complete blindness. I use it often to make biodiesel but only with safety goggles. How many of you wear those while spinning fire? hehe that might look cool. Stop, drop, and roll- dave

David 2004-06-09T20:36:43Z Ŧ¥ http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#c48e5f06-071c-43d3-8269-c7d1df03d5ff 2004-06-08T23:15:37Z 2004-06-08T23:15:37Z

where do you get this sort of stuff.....?? i haven't the faintest idea where to actual get strontium or what products contain it. t

Ŧ¥ 2004-06-08T23:15:37Z Qathi http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#35e861db-771b-4a12-acbd-b0fdfafe6979 2004-06-07T07:40:46Z 2004-06-07T07:40:46Z

> Strontium compounds - red We've had great results with stronium and denatured alcohol, beautiful deap red. Moves in a very tongue like way. Quite beautiful!

Qathi 2004-06-07T07:40:46Z Angel http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#d6338515-d6c9-4343-b4b9-629cf2da9b0a 2004-06-06T05:22:48Z 2004-06-06T05:22:48Z

Ofcourse, when boric acid burns it realeases a compund that can cause damage to your nervous system and pulmonary cavity. Chemical reactions have many variables when you add heat or other agents that cause changes on the molecular level. Your recipie is very toxic, please don't breathe the fumes!

Angel 2004-06-06T05:22:48Z Ŧ¥ http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#0f7d879a-0998-4141-b469-66c361d8c59e 2004-06-05T21:19:46Z 2004-06-05T21:19:46Z

Boric acid, which gives a green/blue flame. This is sold in pharmacies in powdered form as it has antiseptic properties. Lithium chloride, which gives a nice red flame. Tricky to get as it's an anti-depressant. Copper chloride, which gives a good green/blue flame. Indium, expensive and hard to find, gives a deep violet. Other which are theoretically possible, but might not give such good results are: Strontium compounds - red. Calcium compounds - orangy-red. Barium compounds - green. Potassium chloride - a purple flame. White gas (liquid gas e.g. Colemans camping fluid) - a white flame. Dry gas (as above) - a blue flame.

Ŧ¥ 2004-06-05T21:19:46Z MarcoPolo http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#900ede2e-54e0-4eaa-8d60-b541e83ed2b2 2004-06-05T20:32:40Z 2004-06-05T20:32:40Z

Maybe I just had cheap kevlar. You rock! :-)

MarcoPolo 2004-06-05T20:32:40Z Qathi http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#ac0218b9-7fed-466b-a953-9749e87b883a 2004-06-05T07:02:23Z 2004-06-05T07:02:23Z

I disagree, I've been using green on the same wick/tool for 3 years without any significantly different wear than lamp oil or whitegas.

Qathi 2004-06-05T07:02:23Z Qathi http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#15d9dd03-d2b2-4b41-bf51-aecfca6946c8 2004-06-05T06:58:20Z 2004-06-05T06:58:20Z

to make green fuel you'll need - a gallon of denatured alcohol or methonol alcohol - one of those small containers of epsom salts - and a package (bout the size of a perscription bottle) of boric acid from the drug store. - one gallon paint can designated for green fuel (I painted mine green) with ingredients listed on the can, and appropriate warnings this is very scientific, so pay very close attention to the directions pour alcohol into pain can pour a couple of cups of epsom salts into can pour entire container of boric acid into can slush around cap can securely let mixture sit for at least 24 hours, the longer the mixture sits the more saturated the color will be. Boric acid is used as an eye wash (as well as ant poison) Epsom salts are used for soaking in the tub The denatured alcohol is the icky ingredient you'll not want to use this mixture for fire eating or transfers wash your hands and other points of contacts with soap after contact

Qathi 2004-06-05T06:58:20Z MarcoPolo http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#aa5c737b-d17f-4b63-8d0e-51dce0193406 2004-06-04T19:00:06Z 2004-06-04T19:00:06Z

Copper Oxide. Dissolve in Alcohol. It will eat thru your kevlar faster than your spicy burrito eats thru your shorts.

MarcoPolo 2004-06-04T19:00:06Z Gigi-D (DogBite) http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#de9421c3-cbf3-451c-a6b2-ebe05165c161 2004-06-04T17:54:24Z 2004-06-04T17:54:24Z

I have read alot on this at home of poi basicly its ant poison you disolve in the fuel (from what I understand) but I haven't done it yet. But there are tons of threads on HOP on flame colors.

Gigi-D (DogBite) 2004-06-04T17:54:24Z Ŧ¥ http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#b712cc9d-bbfd-4e8c-9d81-4d87e4ee996b 2004-06-04T06:05:57Z 2004-06-04T06:05:57Z

try asking the guy from www.flammaaeterna.com he's posted on how to do that

Ŧ¥ 2004-06-04T06:05:57Z robin http://Fireworkers.tribe.net/thread/4681552f-279d-4e8b-ad69-ebbaa14935ca#cd2aecfd-dbb8-4f1a-bf4e-1fcd587c2979 2004-06-04T05:21:46Z 2004-06-04T05:21:46Z

Can anyone tell me how to make my fire green?

robin 2004-06-04T05:21:46Z