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Re: Green Flame
Thu, June 3, 2004 - 11:05 PMtry asking the guy from www.flammaaeterna.com
he's posted on how to do that
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Re: Green Flame
Fri, June 4, 2004 - 10:54 AMI have read alot on this at home of poi basicly its ant poison you disolve in the fuel (from what I understand) but I haven't done it yet. But there are tons of threads on HOP on flame colors. -
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Re: Green Flame
Fri, June 4, 2004 - 12:00 PMCopper Oxide. Dissolve in Alcohol.
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Re: Green Flame
Sat, June 5, 2004 - 12:02 AMI disagree, I've been using green on the same wick/tool for 3 years without any significantly different wear than lamp oil or whitegas.
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Re: Green Flame
Fri, June 4, 2004 - 11:58 PMto make green fuel you'll need
- a gallon of denatured alcohol or methonol alcohol
- one of those small containers of epsom salts
- and a package (bout the size of a perscription bottle) of boric acid from the drug store.
- one gallon paint can designated for green fuel (I painted mine green) with ingredients listed on the can, and appropriate warnings
this is very scientific, so pay very close attention to the directions
pour alcohol into pain can
pour a couple of cups of epsom salts into can
pour entire container of boric acid into can
slush around
cap can securely
let mixture sit for at least 24 hours, the longer the mixture sits the more saturated the color will be.
Boric acid is used as an eye wash (as well as ant poison)
Epsom salts are used for soaking in the tub
The denatured alcohol is the icky ingredient
you'll not want to use this mixture for fire eating or transfers
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Re: Green Flame
Sat, June 5, 2004 - 1:32 PMMaybe I just had cheap kevlar.
You rock! :-)
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Re: Green Flame
Sat, June 5, 2004 - 10:22 PMOfcourse, when boric acid burns it realeases a compund that can cause damage to your nervous system and pulmonary cavity. Chemical reactions have many variables when you add heat or other agents that cause changes on the molecular level. Your recipie is very toxic, please don't breathe the fumes!
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Re: Green Flame
Sat, June 5, 2004 - 2:19 PMBoric acid, which gives a green/blue flame. This is sold in pharmacies in powdered form as it has antiseptic properties.
Lithium chloride, which gives a nice red flame. Tricky to get as it's an anti-depressant.
Copper chloride, which gives a good green/blue flame.
Indium, expensive and hard to find, gives a deep violet.
Other which are theoretically possible, but might not give such good results are:
Strontium compounds - red.
Calcium compounds - orangy-red.
Barium compounds - green.
Potassium chloride - a purple flame.
White gas (liquid gas e.g. Colemans camping fluid) - a white flame.
Dry gas (as above) - a blue flame.
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, June 7, 2004 - 12:40 AM> Strontium compounds - red
We've had great results with stronium and denatured alcohol, beautiful deap red. Moves in a very tongue like way. Quite beautiful! -
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, June 8, 2004 - 4:15 PMwhere do you get this sort of stuff.....??
i haven't the faintest idea where to actual get strontium or what products contain it.
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, June 9, 2004 - 1:36 PMAnother suggestion is to go with the denatured alcohol instead of Methanol as one drop of methanol in the eye can cause permanant damage and maybe even complete blindness. I use it often to make biodiesel but only with safety goggles. How many of you wear those while spinning fire? hehe that might look cool.
Stop, drop, and roll- dave
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, June 14, 2004 - 12:08 PMinside secret...
Which is to say, i don't know, I have a Mad Scientist who mixes and tests our non-green fuels.
I understand quite a few compounds can be picked up in pottery supplies, as many of them are used as glaze.
The stromium, I think you actually have to be a chemist to get it. not sure, I'll find out.
.. in response to the repetive safety notices on inhaling this stuff - haveing a mad scientist and toxicologist on had are awful handy.
# Maque da Vis' is a compliance inspector for the State of Washington, Department of Labor and Industries (DLI), and also a Hazardous Materials Specialist. He specializes in chemicals, biologicals, and radiation. He performs safety and health inspections, which can include UN0335, 1.3 (Class B, Display Fireworks) pyrotechnical shows for DLI.
He holds a Washington State UN0335, 1.3 (Display) fireworks license, Utah Display Fireworks license, a limited Oregon Pyrotechnics license, and holds a certified UN0335 fireworks technician license and a Theater Artiste Pyrotechnic card currently in Canada.
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, June 14, 2004 - 12:50 PM*salutes*
Certified toxicologist here, at anyone's service!
It's my job. For real.
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 4:15 PMStrontium is used in highway flares. You should be able to get it from any Chemical supply house. Get the Technical grade it's way cheaper. Copper chloride is really good, make a small (marble sized) mesh bag out of brass screen and put the chloride in it, wire it to your torch so it is in the flame. as the whole thing heats up the flame should change color. Should last for a bit.
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, June 9, 2004 - 4:51 PM
thanks for all the replies.
i too want to know where to get all that stuff...
copper chloride, calcium compounds, potassium chloride, barium compounds ?
none of this stuff is going to put me on a CIA watch list is it?
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, June 9, 2004 - 8:02 PMWell, assume that you are ALREADY on a CIA list, and you can go about your life in relative ease. Assuming you don't email anyone about blowing up any federal buildings. ;-)
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, June 14, 2004 - 11:58 AMdenatured alcohol is a hardware item. I've always found it with woodworking, finishes, stains, dyes etc. one use is to clean/prep surfaces for finnish, another is to mix with powdered dyes as a vehicle for spraying - it's evaporates leaving the dye in the wood.
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, June 14, 2004 - 5:58 PMMost of the other stuff can be bought from skylighter.
www.skylighter.com.
You should be able to buy
Road Flare Red: Strontium Chloride.
Green/Yellow: Borice Acid.
Ook Eeek Red: Lithium Chloride.
Green/Blue: Copper Chloride
and maybe
Orange: Calcium Chloride
Lavender?: Potasium Iodide.
PS: Stay away from Barium Chloride. It is very toxic.
I suppose having said this, I should try and figure out exact
ammounts that should be added to denatured alcohol.
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, June 15, 2004 - 10:54 AMAre there any safe colored flame versions to eat or do transfers? I read this list and think its all rather toxic or could possible burn badly? Am I wrong are any of these safe for eating and body work? -
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, June 15, 2004 - 11:18 AMStrontium Chloride is a skin and respiratory irritant, can be very harmful if swallowed
Boric acid = similar as Strontium Cl = don't use it.
Lithium chloride can be a severe skin irritant and can mess with your CNS.
Copper chloride can also irritate your respiratory system and cause skin burns. Not recommended.
While the LD50's of these chemicals classify most of them as "mildly toxic" and probably won't systemically affect you if ingested or absorbed through INTACT skin IN SMALL AMOUNTS, putting chemicals in your mouth or on your skin is not wise, and heated/flaming chemicals often have different properties than room temp ones. -
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, June 15, 2004 - 12:01 PMApart from the possible toxicities of the colorant chemicals, don't forget that methanol itself is poisonous (as somebody noted above). Denatured alcohol is mostly ethanol with about 15% methanol added in, so you don't want to be ingesting that stuff, either! -
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, June 15, 2004 - 12:17 PMToo much ingested methanol can damage the optic nerve, causing blindness. The cure? Ethanol. In earlier times methanol ingestion was cured by having the patient take shots of vodka, as it neutralizes the methanol.
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, June 15, 2004 - 2:57 PMMethanol also causes kidney failure.
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, June 16, 2004 - 4:52 PMI really dislike the idea of spinning with methonol. One of the effects of methonol is to cause the optic nerve to swell causing temporary to permanent blindness depending on the amount of exposure.
One route that methonol can get in you is though the eyes... and fire spinning usually results in droplets of fuel being sprayed all over the place...
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, June 30, 2004 - 2:53 PMsecond that!!
I guess it's just important to keep in mind that to make colored flames it must be dissolved in a polar liquid. So the obvious choice is denatured alcohol and even ethanol would serve as the fuel fraction for the solution. lamp oil/kerosene...white gas...etc are non-polar and don't like to play alot.
****just a side note this stuff is stinky as all living hell
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, June 30, 2004 - 11:56 PMYes, and most of the polar fuels give off a whimpy flame too. -
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Re: Green Flame
Fri, July 2, 2004 - 10:24 PMyep and that's why rubbing alcohol body transfers make me snooooz unless of couse I'm three inches away and can see the damn miniture blue specks that leave behind grease funk
<<nose raising high enough in the air to sniff god's a$$>>
AND that is why it's all about those luvely large yellow n orange white gas flames traveling down hot willing appendages
awww yeah
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Re: Green Flame
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 4:21 PMCalcium Chloride is sold as a moisture removeing agent for closets and the like. It is hydoscopic ,so should be kept in a sealed (non metalic) container. Not terribly toxic as I recall. -
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Re: Green Flame
Tue, September 28, 2004 - 6:52 PMI was fire breathing in 94 on the playa with everclear and lithium chloride. Made the alchohol a little salty but noticed no problems. The med dose is around 200? mil a day, and you dissolve about 20-50 mil in a gallon of fuel. I think you will have other problems, before you injest enough lithium to give you a problem.
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, May 3, 2006 - 4:18 PMLithium is not bad, the amount you would use in fire effects if far less then a med dose. And it does not stay in your system.
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Re: Green Flame
Wed, May 3, 2006 - 4:14 PMIf you like danger try Mecuric chloride. Nice blue purple. It used to be used as medicine. "Calomel"
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Re: Green Flame
Fri, October 1, 2004 - 1:21 PMI'm surprised that no one has mentioned E-Oils or Tri-Ess. Find eoils colored flame oils at www.eoilcandles.com/
Tri_Ess Sciences also has a section specific for chemicals for colored flames. Find that section at www.tri-esssciences.com/firesp...cts.htm
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Re: Green Flame
Sat, October 2, 2004 - 6:16 AMHmm...
White gas at Wal-Mart, less than $3/gallon
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Re: Green Flame
Sun, October 3, 2004 - 7:52 PMThe Haz mat disclamer says it's ethel alcohol and Amil Acetate. the acetate is a controlled substance, but asian markets as a flavoring (banana flavoring)
Just mess with the ratios.
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