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Heres another topic that keeps showing up in other threads.
I'm not the worlds most experienced fire-breather -and you're about to find out why- but I have consulted with many of the best and most experienced in many places, and have personally witnessed a lot of things happen, including some amazing stuff, and also including blow-back (as in, a face engulfed in flame) and organ failure.
Even if you: have perfect tecnique learned from the perfect instructor, never make a mistake, never get a drop down your throat, never do it outside in wind conditions that are - lets face it - never 100% predictable (and blow-back is not the worst thing that can happen when the wind shifts), and never do it inside where - lets face it - its very rare that you can be 100% sure that nothing can be hit by your blast...
You are still taking a mouthful of god-knows what petro-chemicals (see fuel theory thread), and your mouth contains porous membranes that transfer those unidentified chemicals directly into your blood-stream.
If you do this on a regular basis, theres a good chance you'll do cumulative damage to the organs that filter toxins. It can result in permananent impairment. What *that* can look like is an expensive hospital stay that wraps up with a finger-waggling doctor saying things like "it will never again be safe for you to imbibe alcohol or other recreational drugs" - on pain of coma or even death.
So:
1) this is the branch of fire-ism whose safety parameters are the most difficult to reliably predict, and
2) accumulative organ damage is highly possible even with flawless tecnique.
This combination is why I refer to fire-breathing as the most dangerous branch of fire performance.
I never blow fire in a regular show with anything that wasn't *expressly designed to be imbibed by humans*. For me its strictly a special occasion thing, a few times a year at most.
And, due to the impairing properties of alcohol, blowing with it had better be your last fire-act of the night!
In theory, its possible that somebody may come up with some concoction that is safe to imbibe and gives you big showy flame like lamp oil - please let us know if you do! - but I suspect those two properties are mutually exclusive. As weak as they are, even 151 Rum and everclear are not the nicest things you can do to your liver.
In short, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Then again, maybe you should.
I'm not the worlds most experienced fire-breather -and you're about to find out why- but I have consulted with many of the best and most experienced in many places, and have personally witnessed a lot of things happen, including some amazing stuff, and also including blow-back (as in, a face engulfed in flame) and organ failure.
Even if you: have perfect tecnique learned from the perfect instructor, never make a mistake, never get a drop down your throat, never do it outside in wind conditions that are - lets face it - never 100% predictable (and blow-back is not the worst thing that can happen when the wind shifts), and never do it inside where - lets face it - its very rare that you can be 100% sure that nothing can be hit by your blast...
You are still taking a mouthful of god-knows what petro-chemicals (see fuel theory thread), and your mouth contains porous membranes that transfer those unidentified chemicals directly into your blood-stream.
If you do this on a regular basis, theres a good chance you'll do cumulative damage to the organs that filter toxins. It can result in permananent impairment. What *that* can look like is an expensive hospital stay that wraps up with a finger-waggling doctor saying things like "it will never again be safe for you to imbibe alcohol or other recreational drugs" - on pain of coma or even death.
So:
1) this is the branch of fire-ism whose safety parameters are the most difficult to reliably predict, and
2) accumulative organ damage is highly possible even with flawless tecnique.
This combination is why I refer to fire-breathing as the most dangerous branch of fire performance.
I never blow fire in a regular show with anything that wasn't *expressly designed to be imbibed by humans*. For me its strictly a special occasion thing, a few times a year at most.
And, due to the impairing properties of alcohol, blowing with it had better be your last fire-act of the night!
In theory, its possible that somebody may come up with some concoction that is safe to imbibe and gives you big showy flame like lamp oil - please let us know if you do! - but I suspect those two properties are mutually exclusive. As weak as they are, even 151 Rum and everclear are not the nicest things you can do to your liver.
In short, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Then again, maybe you should.
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Re: Fire-breathing & fuel
Sat, January 31, 2004 - 7:21 AMAnother good point. This is why I've never had any desire to learn how to fire breathe despite it's fabulous appeal.. -
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Re: Fire-breathing & fuel
Sat, January 31, 2004 - 9:54 AMAll I have to say is with all things regarding ones health do your reasearch on nutrients and cleansings. Milk thisle is a very very good thing to take weather your breathing fire or eating fire either way toxins are hitting your system. I take milk thisel prior to eating fire and afterwards and litteraly you can feel it cleanse your system if your at all sensitive. I also would highly recomend an apple juice liver flush. -
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Re: Fire-breathing & fuel & health
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 2:01 AMThanks for bringing up the cleaning agents Gigi.
I’ve heard good things about the milk thisle but never tried it myself. I’ve heard about other stuff too, but am not expert, and don’t have any documentation. Has anyone else researched protective/cleansing/health products that are effective with petrochemicals?
If we can confirm effectiveness - even if only through performer testimonials if studies aren't available, I think this is another good function of a guild: to collect and disseminate info on performer health issues.
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Re: Fire-breathing & fuel
Sat, January 31, 2004 - 3:08 PMI have retired from fire breathing completely for all of the above reasons. I used to use lamp oil for fire breathing and often got a couple of drops down my throat. I would have diarrhea for a day and would be fine after that. -
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For the record...
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 3:06 AMI do not advocate that a guild or any fire depts should try to ban fire-breathing. When done *by a well-trained performer using adequate preparation* fire-breathing can be safe for audience and venue (and gives a nice accent).
It is we, the performers, whose risk cannot be eliminated – tho it can be reduced. Personal risk-taking is a personal choice - strictly between you, your insurance agent, your mom, your kids, and your bartender. A guild should not enter into that except to keep the community informed. And neither should government.
I’m also not trying to discourage anyone learning fire-breathing. I learned it myself - took the time and trouble to seek out the instruction of experienced, well-informed, safety-conscious people in doing so, even though I don't plan to use it much. Sound education IMHO is never wasted. You never know exactly what it’ll bring you. If you already knew, it wouldn't be education! ;)
I’m not totally down on fire-breathing. I just want fire-peeps to really know what risks we’re taking and what can and cannot be done about it - so that we all can make informed, responsible choices.
If the Guild ever adopts a motto here’s my nominee: “No Unpleasant Surprises”. -
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Re: For the record...
Mon, February 2, 2004 - 12:21 PMWow! this was so imformative for me. I swallow fire and now if I really want to, I will try the milk thistle. I remember wanting to do and my friends that were nurses told me NO! Needless to say I didn't listen. Thanks, I love learning and being informed of new things.
Have any of you used colored flames? the kind you can by off the web. No I won't swallow that but for other things like fans or something. -
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Re: For the record...
Tue, February 3, 2004 - 11:06 PMvery glad to know this forum is already being useful. thank you!
Just think how much more useful a functioning guild will be!
definitely, to my knowledge there is no chemical that will produce colored flame that isn't heinously toxic for eating purposes. does anybody else out there have better info?
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Re: For the record...
Wed, February 4, 2004 - 6:28 AMHmmmm....wow. So many mixed emotions on this topic. I will fire breathe again. It is something that I have done thousands of times for years that I do well, and that I enjoy. However, fire breathing left me 5 weeks in the Intensive Care Unit, over a year in respiratory recovery and with a pretty gruesome scar on my throat. Definately something to be cautious of, and something I do try to talk people out of.
In spending over a year with doctors I did learn some interesting things.
There is nothing that will purge the system of petrochemical toxins. You can bleed yourself dry, drink tonics and get enema's. The toxins work their way through the system but they do damage on their way through, and that is what you need to watch out for. You put them in, they damage. Buffering helps, charcoal caplets, buttermilk, starches are actually some of the best but not infalable.
Toxins from fire eating are not exactly what most people think them to be. They are primarily from inhalation and less from any form of consumption. Charred pieces of wicking does not fuel on it and the most toxically dangerous "stunts" (holding and tongue transfers) are only so because fuel is laid directly on the tongue or vapors held in the mouth.
Same thing with all our arts, fumes, smoke and vapors (which are present in the smoke) does more damage than we, as a community, generally put thought into.
As for fuels that are "safe". I was told if I had have inhaled cola or alcohol the same way I did the fuel mist, I still would have been hospitalized. Anything which enters our lungs in moderate(other than water) can cause damage to the lining and alvioli. Petrochemicals coat, which makes them different from most other substances which burn. Both are seriously dangerous. Luckily for me, lung tissue somewhat regenerates. Though I have 1/4 of my left lung lost to scar tissue.
Kindest Regards,
Pele
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